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Post by Kysic on Jul 5, 2007 17:37:50 GMT
Since many topics are starting to die out, I figured I should try to pull something new out. This topic is dedicated to the woman who really made a difference in Vincent's life. Love her? Hate her? Annoyed by her? Talk about it here!
Please don't say anything that offend someone else. You can say reasons you hate/dislike her, but try not to be rude about it, please.
If she irrtates you so badly, you need to let out some steam, talk about it here. I'm not a Lucrecia fan, but I'm not a Lucrecia hater either so I won't get too offended easily. Just try to avoid anything offending if possible.
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Post by leafonthebreeze on Jul 7, 2007 10:47:35 GMT
She is Yuna in a white coat, but less sweet. Not much else for me to say I'm afraid I don't know, just her voice really really reminded me of Yuna's, and her whole sweet optimism thing... but for some reason, I like Yuna, but I don't like Lucretia much... *shrugs*
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Post by Captain Wee on Jul 7, 2007 11:39:57 GMT
I liked her. She actually brought Vincent out of his shell and barring the other stuff, she seems like a decent human being.
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Post by Kysic on Jul 7, 2007 14:40:25 GMT
I like her, but she honestly annoys me a few times, especially in DOC. I was irratated how she let Hojo experiment on their unborn son. She also nearly bite Vincent's head off when he asked if she was sure about being apart of the project in my opinion. You should of heard her voice when he asked! Vincent was only concerned about her. I nearly wanted to strangle her! I think those are the two things she does that annoys me the most. I have a friend how really hates Lucrecia. I didn't even start disliking her until I met Northsky (not personally, just on FF.net). She got me thinking about a few things. I think I started disliking her after I got DOC. I don't know. For my most part, I don't hate or love her. I just like her. Just annoyed by a few things.
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Post by ladyvaltaya on Jul 7, 2007 15:53:58 GMT
I like Lucrecia.
But I hate saying that because I feel like I ought to want to scalp her and bury her in a shallow grave for the things that she's done in her life...
I hate her for what she did to Sephiroth. I also dislike what she did to Vincent. He was the only person in DoC that showed any concern for her and her unborn son and as you said she snarled at him like a pitbull about to attack! I have no kids of my own but I have two nephews that are both adorably sweet and cute- I can't imagine letting anyone experiment on either of them and they aren't even mine!
Hojo was a sick b*****d, and she worked with him; she should have seen what she was getting into. I can't imagine sleeping with him. I just don't understand why she thought she could trust him with her body or their son. Even at my most innocent and inexperianced I was never one to give trust easily and especially not to someone like Hojo. Their whole relationship still seems ridiculously contrived to me since we saw nothing of a time when Hojo was ever nice to her.
However, having said all of that, let me say that what I like about Lucrecia is that she realized her mistakes and tried to make up for them. She tried to hang on for the sake of both her son and Vincent. In the end, her will was stronger than her body though. I have always liked characters who have a bit of real tragedy to go along with their angst, so I really LOVE her in that way.
She is a great character in that she provokes a dozen different emotions in me all at the same time and that is what good storytelling is all about, drawing us in through our emotions. ^_^
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Post by piedflycatcher on Jul 11, 2007 22:06:30 GMT
I don't know much about her because we don't see much of her in FFVII itself, but she didn't leave a big impression on me. She seemed like a plot device, as the mother of Sephiroth and the reason for Vincent's angst, but we didn't see enough of her to get much sense of her personality. Well, I didn't anyway.
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Post by leafonthebreeze on Jul 11, 2007 22:08:46 GMT
You see a lot more of her in Dirge of Cerberus... She has Yuna's sweet innocence and willingness to sacrifice herself, but is slightly more mature... or that's how I saw her.
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Post by Sztorm on Jul 14, 2007 3:11:28 GMT
I don't know much about her because we don't see much of her in FFVII itself, but she didn't leave a big impression on me. She seemed like a plot device, as the mother of Sephiroth and the reason for Vincent's angst, but we didn't see enough of her to get much sense of her personality. Well, I didn't anyway. Kind of the same here. I made/make a lot of educated assumptions about her character (loves her work, trying to prove herself (as a likely attractive female) in a male-dominated field (at least at the time), etc.) and I like my interpretation of her character (as you might expect). DoC Lucrecia makes me want to b****-slap her. But then again, I also want to b****-slap DoC Vincent. And Hojo. (I'll admit to being biased against the compilation. Don't mind me. ) I do like Lucrecia, though, and I think she often gets a bad rap. Maybe I just feel a connection with her, as she's a scientist, and I'm a closet scientist (I minored in chemistry, still have and use my lab goggles, etc.).
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Post by ladyvaltaya on Jul 15, 2007 0:54:07 GMT
Sztorm, you can still make all those assumptions about her. ^_^
You weren't wrong in saying that she loves her work or that she was trying really hard to prove her theories to the other scientists at Shinra.
The scene where Vincent's father is killed by the G substance, she actually says; "I can't wait to show those people at Shinra that laughed at my thesis!"
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Post by Sztorm on Jul 15, 2007 1:05:57 GMT
Sztorm, you can still make all those assumptions about her. ^_^ You weren't wrong in saying that she loves her work or that she was trying really hard to prove her theories to the other scientists at Shinra. The scene where Vincent's father is killed by the G substance, she actually says; "I can't wait to show those people at Shinra that laughed at my thesis!" Well that's good to know. I think it's all the rumored whining she does that makes me leery of her character in DoC. Well, actually, I'll admit to being leery of the whole love-triangle's characterizations. I'm sure one of these days I'll get over my spite and at least wikipedia the game. In the meantime, hooray for at least some assumptions that still stand!
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Post by ladyvaltaya on Jul 15, 2007 1:20:37 GMT
Many scenes from DoC are up on YouTube in English these days, watch a few of them, you might find them enjoyable. On the other hand they loose a bit of their power when you didn't play the game to unlock them for yourself. Knowing what Vincent was fighting against is a part of the journey it took for him to get to the smile at the games end. Without any of the battles, it looks like it's all just random memories. I like her character in the game, but I hate the things that she did in her life. There is no excuse for what she and Hojo did to Sephiroth. I can't bring myself to forgive them for their lack of concern for their son and his future.
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Post by fearandloathing on Jul 15, 2007 14:50:37 GMT
I have a history of hating quite a lot on Lucretia, because she is a total pregnant dog sometimes - note the Vincent-are-you-sure Lucretia-biting-his-head-off scene, it was so uncalled for and she MUST have known about Vincent's feelings...so it was pretty nasty.
And she's also responsible for a lot of the bad stuff that happens in DoC, and by default VII - what with being the mother of Seiproth and all, along with her theories being the thing to start Hojo's Omega ideas - because he did Omega after Lucretia made Vincent - so its kinda her ideas that did it.
But not to say that I didn't cry a couple of times during DoC - like when she was apologising and asking to see her son, only she cared too late as Hojo already had had him.
And I'm so glad I had subtitles on when I played, because there's a fusey bit with her voice and she says something with 'love' in, I can't remember what exactly but I was skeptical about her really loving Vincent at first.
She makes me sad, because she made so many mistakes in her life, and Vincent had to pay for most of them, but she says once that she was so glad he didn't die, which is basically her guilt because it was his fault Hojo shot him.
In short she screwed everything up, and it should have been simple with her and Vincent but everything went wrong, as life is just like that sometimes.
I guess she makes me philosophical, and slightly depressed.
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Post by ladyvaltaya on Jul 15, 2007 23:54:47 GMT
Yeah Fear, I understand completely. Lucrecia's mistakes were really bad ones and that is why she makes me feel all sorts of things all at once when I see her or hear her name.
That's kinda why I made the Cave of Wonders skin for the forum, actually. I love this picture, it is beautiful and so tragic all at once- being that close and yet they can't be together... About once a week the picture on this skin is the wallpaper on my computer, sad maybe, but I do find it very inspiring.
There were a few times where I wanted to slap the hell out of Lucrecia for being such a ^&*%$, but most of the time I pity her. I feel sorry for her because after all this time Jenova is still making her pay for what she did...
Even Hojo got off easier- he's ultra dead! Err whatever we decided to call that on the insanity "Let's mosey" thread ^_^
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Post by fearandloathing on Jul 16, 2007 0:19:54 GMT
Tee hee, exactly, uber-dead XD Love the cave of wonders too, so beautifully sad. Eventually all the 'I'm so sorry's' from her totally got to me *ahem - cried*, because it's all she can do...and she is sorry, everything f*$%ed up for her and it's all her fault but she's trying to apologise...sippose she kinda amends for it by giving him the protomateria back. But the worst part is Vincent blaming himself, his guilt/sin was for not stopping her, but it shouldn't ever have happened, she shouldn't have chosen Hojo: WHO THE FU*K CHOOSES HOJO!!! Oooo Vincent fangirling coming out there
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Post by Azul Eyes on Jul 16, 2007 1:28:19 GMT
I just thought of something though. I liked Lucrecia, sorta. But maybe the biting-off-Vincent's-head-thing was her way of trying to stop him from getting hurt. Like, I dunno, maybe she really did love him and was trying to protect him by shoving him out of her life. Still seems pretty screwy, but it's just a theory.
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