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Post by snarky on Oct 26, 2007 19:50:07 GMT
Human Expiramentation all the way, mostly for the reasons Lady V just listed.
Almost everything stems from ShinRa's science department's actions. Perhaps the bombing and Sector 7 might have still occurred, but then again, perhaps not - perhaps things would have occured differently if ShinRa had not been so caught up in greed and powerlust.
True, the game would not exist and the characters therein would be radically different sans the human expiramentation (pretty much everyone was affected by it, after all, from Veld & his daughter to Vincent and Azul to especially Sephiroth, Nero, Aeris, Cloud, Zack... and so on). The Geostigma is very sad, but if not for Sephiroth, there would have been no Meteor and no need for Holy and therefore no ultimate Geostigma.
If not for the expiramentation, there would have been no Azul, Weiss, Nero, etc. and so, no kidnappings & killings.
However, in terms of poigniency - which one seemed to have the most drama & obvious sadness to it... That's tough to say. Heh.
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Post by T. Costa on Oct 27, 2007 13:10:00 GMT
Well, if we're talking pure poignancy, I vote for the scene in Dirge where the little girl's moogle is floating in mako.
~Tasha
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Post by Alma on Oct 30, 2007 1:43:06 GMT
Aerith's death. I played the game when it first came out so NOBODY WARNED ME!!! Her death was such a shock. I'd never been that upset over a fictional character's death before. Seriously.
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Post by horky on Oct 30, 2007 2:54:34 GMT
I think Zack's death...just because I think that Zack would be the least expected to die... here is this guy who has been locked up for years, and escapes and drags his best friend whose practically a vegetable all across the planet just to save Cloud for who knows what fate. I mean, Cloud wasn't all there until Zack died...and even then he still wasn't all there.
Zack's death really affected Cloud, and it's unexpeted because looking between the two at the time you'd expect Zack to survive...not Cloud. Zack is strong and has a drive for life. He's on the doorstep of a new life, of freedom after such a long captivity...he's going to get to see the girl he left behind, and then he dies. He dies for his friend who is mentally unstable at the time. That's loyalty...he's the type of hero you expect...one that would go to save the world just to save it.
Of course, I'm going to contradict myself that you could expect him to die because of his loyalty...and with that loyalty he's bound to put himself in more dangerous and life threatening situations like that for the people he loves.
But that's just me.
It's hard to pick one from them honestly.
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Post by allocin on Oct 30, 2007 9:49:34 GMT
I think I voted Nibelheim (can't remember for sure, heh). Nibelheim isn't the START of things, but it's the straw that broke the camel's back. If there'd been no problems there, maybe Sephiroth wouldn't have gone mad, and the whole story wouldn't have have happened.
It's more of an 'intellectual' tragedy, I guess, because we as humans are generally hurt more by personal tragedies - ie. Zack's death.
~Ally~
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Post by snarky on Oct 30, 2007 20:02:03 GMT
I think I voted Nibelheim (can't remember for sure, heh). Nibelheim isn't the START of things, but it's the straw that broke the camel's back. If there'd been no problems there, maybe Sephiroth wouldn't have gone mad, and the whole story wouldn't have have happened. It's more of an 'intellectual' tragedy, I guess, because we as humans are generally hurt more by personal tragedies - ie. Zack's death. ~Ally~ I see where you're coming from, but there are other tragedies, such as that of the members of Deep Ground and so on, that do not stem from Nibelheim, so I still would argue that the root of it all - the human expiramentation - is the greatest tragedy.
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Post by ladyvaltaya on Nov 7, 2007 9:50:39 GMT
For those of you who are unfamiliar with the scene from DoC where the people from Kalm are being packed into crates to feed Omega, here is my fave screenshot... It is such a heartbreaking moment in the game... then later to see this little girl's moogle floating on the Mako's surface... *shivers*
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Post by Ink on Nov 7, 2007 12:22:12 GMT
That's something I've always wondered about... why is so much more heartbreaking with the death of a child than the death of an adult? The adult has more experience, more contacts, more interests, more to lose. So why are we so horrified when a child dies?
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Post by ladyvaltaya on Nov 7, 2007 13:35:05 GMT
A child is considered innocent because of thier lack of life experiance. Culturally and religiously speaking, most of us were probably taught subconsciously- if not literally, that the innocent deserve protection.
Therefore, since children are also physically fragile and more easily damaged than a mature human specimen, most adults feel an instinctive need to protect them- even when the child isn't thiers.
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Post by allocin on Nov 7, 2007 15:44:17 GMT
There's apparently some theory about how we're programmed on a fundamental level to respond to, protect and nurture creatures that have large heads and eyes but fragile bodies (ie. things that ping on the 'cute' meter such as infants, kittens, puppies, Mickey Mouse and Elijah Wood). Obviously this doesn't count for everyone, but it's a theory.
~Ally~
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Post by leafonthebreeze on Nov 7, 2007 17:06:24 GMT
It also seems more tragic when a child dies because they have their whole life ahead of them, and that gets taken away, so you never get the chance to see what they could have become...
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Post by Ink on Nov 8, 2007 8:31:27 GMT
They could snap and become psychotic murderers, Leaf, and then we should be oh so thankful that they didn't grow up. We'll never know what they would become, but it could be horrible as well.
It just bugges me, when someone says "ten people died, and two children." it's just as tragic that ten adults died, or am I the only one who believe this?
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Post by leafonthebreeze on Nov 8, 2007 16:57:19 GMT
Yeah they could have become murderers, but they also could have become amazing people...
Weird this is coming up now, a guy in the year above us died suddenly of meningitis at half term, I didn't know him at all, don't even remeber seeing him around school but as a sixth form we're getting a lot of talks about him/grief/etc which makes you think about stuff like this. I guess the logic is that at least an adult has had the chance to experience life, whereas a child never had the chance to experience life to the full...
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Post by marilena on Nov 9, 2007 10:09:00 GMT
Human epxerimentation because it is in the core of every tragedy in FFVII...
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Post by Sai on Nov 10, 2007 20:56:35 GMT
Boy, this was hard, but the most gut renching thing for me at the moment was Zack's death, expecially if you've seen it as CC version. Too beautiful and heart breaking. I still sob when the song comes on.
But, that is just me at the moment.
I think the true tragedy is that Hojo because evil. Everything sproats from him, if you hadn't noticed. he was intelligent and could have done so much for the world, but because of some unknowable reason he decided to be evil.
And so, everything stems from that. If he had been a good man, everything would have been idfferent. So, if that one had been up, I would have voted for it.
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