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Post by allocin on Oct 11, 2007 12:03:04 GMT
Hokai. So. I've never played the game(s), so bear with me if my questions are totally redundant. But here we go anyway:
In OGC, Avalanche is the terrorist organisation, right? Right.
In AC, does Avalanche even exist? What do they do? And exactly what strength does Shinra have as an organisation (as opposed to just Rufus and his very big bank account)?
In DoC, does Avalanche have a role alongside the WRO? Are they still considered terrorists at this time? How strong is Shinra the company? And how much animosity would you consider there to be between Avalanche and Shinra at this time (either as organisations, or between members)?
I'll get around to playing the games one day.
~Ally~
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Post by leafonthebreeze on Oct 11, 2007 16:26:45 GMT
Avalanche is originally the terrorist organisation of Biggs, Wedge, Jesse, Tifa, Barret ad then Cloud. It's the name they give themselves as they travel the world on their journey in the first game. However, once Sephiroth is defeated and Meteor stopped, it is effectively disbanded as an organisation, they stay in touch but they are no longer an official group.
In AC therefore, it does not exist, and Shinra really is jusr Rufus, the Turks and Rufus's bank account.
In DoC the members of Avalanche help the WRO slightly in the final battle, but aren't major members, except for Vincent and Yuffie. Not much is known about Shinra, although it is strongly implied that Rufus is an anonomous benefactor to the WRO. And the animosity between Ex Avalanche members and Shinra is sorted out in AC.
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Post by allocin on Oct 11, 2007 18:23:09 GMT
Yay! Thank you. That was simple enough. ~Ally~
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Post by Ink on Oct 11, 2007 20:11:28 GMT
What exactly hints towards Rufus as an anonomous benefactor to the WRO?
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Post by leafonthebreeze on Oct 11, 2007 20:22:55 GMT
Reeve says the WRO is recieving anonomous funding, but he guesses it must be from someone "with a large debt to the planet"
Rufus has just about the biggest debt there is.
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Post by ladyvaltaya on Oct 11, 2007 21:33:49 GMT
Originally, AVALANCHE was a terrorist organization started to fight Shinra in BC. AVALANCHE quickly figured out that to fight Shinra, they had to sink to thier level however and develope weapons and supersoldiers of thier own- that is why Zack had to kill two of his best friends. They had been captured and used in an experiment by AVALANCHE.
The Turks with some help from SOLDIER and the MP's finally managed to destroy AVALANCHE.
Barret took over the name when he decided to go up against Shinra himself, but didn't know much about them other than they'd been defeated while trying to stop Shinra. Which is why it amuses me when I see fics where Zack survives and immediately teams up with AVALANCHE without a second thought...
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Post by Ink on Oct 16, 2007 13:30:18 GMT
But it's only a speculation then?
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Post by leafonthebreeze on Oct 16, 2007 16:45:19 GMT
I'm pretty sure there's more then that... There was some huuge argument about it back in the hottest male/female thread (forgot which) between Lady V and Dahhak which listed most of the main arguments for and against.
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Post by Ink on Oct 16, 2007 19:18:33 GMT
Ah... have to go and check then.
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Post by t3hmaniac on Sept 14, 2008 17:28:58 GMT
AVALANCHE in BC was mainly based in Wutai, they're support addedd fuel to the fire for the Shinra/Wutai war but when that world eneded, so did the origional AVALANCHE.
One year after Nieblehiem the Corel reactor malfunctions, Shinra burns Corel claiming it was the work of AVALANCHE. Barret survives and decides to reform the group with Biggs, Wedge and Jessie. As sort of a poetic irony. A group that Shinra made up as a scapegoat became real and a general threat.
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Post by ladyvaltaya on Sept 16, 2008 2:28:08 GMT
Square has always made rather intriguing use of irony, but yes, that was a particularly clever one, I think. ^_^
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Post by Kisara Strife on Jan 3, 2009 14:29:50 GMT
In DoC, Cid also hints that he doesn't think Reeve is the one putting up all the Gil for the WRO, but that's pretty much it alongside of Reeve's specualtion about the benefactor to Vincent. AVALANCHE in BC was comprised of Élfe, Sears and Fuhito. Fuhito was killed when he partially summoned Zirconiade from Élfe, and Sears died by sacrificing his life to save Élfe's. Tseng then reported he ahd killed both Veld and Élfe, who was actually Veld's long-lost daughter, Felicia. That AVALANCHE then disappeared, but left plans for the bomb used in FFVII behind - the same one Jessie manufactured. I don't think FFVII's AVALANCHE technically exists in the later installements of AC and DoC, but the gang will always be there and they'll always be referred to as memebers of AVALANCHE due to the Jenova War.
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Post by Tennyo (Nentikobe) on Jan 4, 2009 22:49:21 GMT
One year after Nieblehiem the Corel reactor malfunctions, Shinra burns Corel claiming it was the work of AVALANCHE. Barret survives and decides to reform the group with Biggs, Wedge and Jessie. As sort of a poetic irony. A group that Shinra made up as a scapegoat became real and a general threat. I once got into a discussion on how the FF games could be applied metaphorically to real life situations. FFVII seemed to be very relevant to the here and now, with mako energy being a metaphor for global warming, and Shinra's burning of Corel looking for non-existent AVALANCHE members seemed like the Bush Administration's so-called "War on Terror" in the middle east. I can't remember all the points that were brought up, though.
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Post by t3hmaniac on Jan 9, 2009 14:53:45 GMT
which is weird considering it was made before Bush became president. Squaresoft divination?
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Post by Clan Dragoon on Jan 24, 2009 23:16:10 GMT
Simply commenting to add a little information into Avalanche before Barret - so the group present in Before Crisis. The leader of Avalanche is a woman by the name of Elfe, other members seen are a scientist themed bookworm named Fuhito and Elfe's thick necked right-hand man, Sears.
It is alluded though that Avalanche is a massive organization that spans out members much larger then ten or twelve. At very least, much more effective then Barret's little rip-off of the tree hugger group.
Fuhito commands a group of shadow enemies called the Ravens, which Zack's friends happen to fall victim to - either become or are killed by I'm unsure - my translation is iffy.
In the end however, Elfe has some summon inside her that starts with a Z and then proceeds to use every random letter known to man for some title that i'm not about to go find or think to butcher. Anyway, the summon gives her strength but once activated she starts to deteriorate (sounds fishy like Genesis and Angeal...). Hojo and Aeris appear to be the only people who realize this.
Eventually you find that she's the daughter of the current Head Turk in BC, Fuhito was actually a bad guy within his group trying to call upon the Z summon within the leader to rid the world of...everything (the basics of being the antagonist), the Head Turk dies with Elfe and the game continues on.
If this was posted somewhere else, such as the in the long debate between Lady V and someone else, I apologize - but I think it makes more sense to be in here anyway.
So, no harm done I suppose.
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