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Post by fearandloathing on Oct 9, 2007 20:39:43 GMT
Yeah, I read that fic too, it ruins the mood so awfully that you almost (and generally do) physically cringe.
In pretty sex scenes ugly words shouldn't be used, in my opinion.
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Post by Sai on Oct 9, 2007 20:49:43 GMT
Now, if someone is having sex in the midle of a dark alleyway, he mood is shifted, and it probably isn't ment to be all pretty. Yet, I still think they could have their certain 'mood', without using those type of words. With sex scenes, I think, we should use all of the senses. Most people will just describe how their bdies move, not how they taste, smell, what they hear or how it feels. Blah.
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Post by leafonthebreeze on Oct 9, 2007 20:51:42 GMT
Your basic crude words I don't mind if, as SaI says, it's crude sex (as a genral rule anything involving Reno ) It's just that particular one I hate... It's unnessasary.
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Post by Sai on Oct 9, 2007 20:57:11 GMT
I love Reno sex.
Yum.
But, Reno is uncouth, vile, and dirty-mouthed. So, I can accept some crude words.
me and you, leaf, think quite a bit alike
=)
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Post by leafonthebreeze on Oct 9, 2007 21:04:15 GMT
Exactly! Although in the end, pretty language is usually nicer... Just doesn't suit Reno. Me and Fear have a deal, she gets Axel, I get Reno
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Post by Sai on Oct 9, 2007 21:05:37 GMT
It just really doesn't.
And when neither of you are looking, I get both. Yum. Axel and Reno.
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Post by ladyvaltaya on Oct 9, 2007 21:30:47 GMT
I've always varied my wording style greatly in the way that I describe the action to fit the type of lemon I am writing. The tone of the fic and the nature and demenor of the characters involved also figure into how I write lemons.
My fave lemons will always be the sweet and romantic kind with two characters who deeply love eachother.
I don't mind admitting that I do enjoy the wild side though too... I'm currently penning a dream I had about Seph/Genesis into story form... Demented?? Heck yes, but damn that was HOT!!!!!
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piratesrox
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The use of words expressing more than that of their literal intention! Now that. Is. Irony.
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Post by piratesrox on Oct 9, 2007 21:59:52 GMT
Yeah, Sai, I totally agree with describing to all 5 senses, but no author can nail how it feels exactly for both. Unfortunately we have to rely on a male author for the male's experiance, and I havent seen many male written GOOD lemons. Writing an orgasm in is almost impossible to get perfect, and genuinely impossible for both parties unless you whip out a notebook and quiz your spouse. I actually looked in a romance novel to do it in one of my stories.
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Post by Sai on Oct 9, 2007 22:18:37 GMT
-Lady V.- Seph/Genesis. Mmhmm. Smexy.
I'll be waiting for that one to come out. Yay!
-Pirate -I think I might have to do more research about sex (Reading more rmance novels. Yuck) So, I'll take your advice. It probably is just about impossible to fully 'get' everything.
I haven't read or found any lemons written by any male, normally they are done by females. I think that most fan fiction writers are female, so it is completely and totally accidental.
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Post by piratesrox on Oct 10, 2007 17:47:20 GMT
I know a few males, and I TRIED to write a lemon once. It flopped. I dont like my fics, hence I dont use my author name. I think girls write romance better anyway. No guys I know seem to have the patience to get the characters built up, and then fear they'll look perverted if they write a sex scene.
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Post by leafonthebreeze on Oct 10, 2007 17:52:01 GMT
Verv's best friend tried to write a lemon once at about 2 in the morning at my house. It doesn't help that he's dyslexic and has no concept of tense, but it was just... horrible. He was using the proper scientific terms for everything, and it was just.... creepy. Not disgusting, creepy.
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Post by ladyvaltaya on Oct 10, 2007 18:19:47 GMT
Hee hee... YAY!!! For once, there is a double standard in life between men and women that works for us females rather than against us...
Let me clairfy. Women are expected to be better romance writers- yet it is the male character who should traditionally have the most previous sexual experiance before the male/female lead characters get together- just look at Zack/Aerith.
Seriously, Zack flirts with Aerith, Cissnei, the Shinra building's general secretary and quite possibly Cloud too- if you want to interpret a certain conversation in Junon that way....
And we get to contrast him with sweet, "innocent" Aerith...
Apparently, men are supposed to have some idea what to do in bed- they just aren't supposed to write it down. To me that seems absurd. Given that men are supposed to be the sexually aggressive partner in the first place, male writers ought to be at least equally well versed at creating believable love scenes.
Then again, I've always had the easy going attitude that most guys are expected to have when it comes to sex. My motto is, live for the moment. If it feels good; do it- then do it again... I'm the playstation- easy to turn on, hard to beat... (kudos to anyone who knows where that actually came from...) ^_~
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Post by Erissa on Oct 11, 2007 4:28:33 GMT
Also, I think that a sex scene shouldn't be perfect. Not all the time anyway. I mean, you can't have your characters act like porn stars (Some fanfiction even use the porn star dialogue, which is really, really bad) all the time. I mean, by god, make them human. Someone will drool on the other while they sleep, someone will fall out of the bed and hit their head, someone will snicker at a weird noice their partner makes. By god, they should add a little humanity to the characters. Yeah I totally agree with this. I'm not much into reading M-rated stuff even if I do like yaoi from time to time but the ones I usually come across are either written so perfectly like the 2 characters just had heavenly sex or they are just written like bad porn. I say if you want to write a serious sex scene, make them more sincere and real, not something out of a movie or fantasy. Hell even add a bit of humour, like so and so fell asleep and snored after sex. XD
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Post by snarky on Oct 15, 2007 21:09:05 GMT
Quite honestly, I don't think a sex scene should be in any story unless it is necessary to the plot to be described. It's like digesting food or going to the bathroom. Sure, characters do those things, but does it actually add anything to the story if you describe it?
I really think that's a question all writers of lemons REALLY need to ask themselves: Does it add anything to the plot? Well, that and ask, is it really feasible that two characters who hate each other are going to get together, get drunk and go at it for no reason...? But that's a whole nother issue.
A romance doesn't need explicit sex to be a good romance. Jane Eyre has excellent romance in it - but it sure as hell doesn't have any sex scenes much less any sex in it, for instance. True, that's an older novel, but it happens to be sitting on the bookshelf next to me, so I'm using it as an example that it can't be done. There are few things I hate more than unnecessary sex scenes in movies, fanfiction, etc.
Take the second Matrix movie, for example. I wound up watching about twenty minutes of that before just getting fed up and skipping to the very end, because half the movie is interspliced with Neo and Trinity going at it, and all the while, I'm asking myself, "Isn't there a better way you could have done this, o directors? I mean, we get that they love each other both spiritually and carnally, already. Does this sex scene add anything else... except just sex for the sake of sex and a very R rating?
I guess that's what I have a problem with: Sex in the story simply for the sake of having sex in the story.
It seems to me, if you can't write a romance without throwing ubiquitous sex in there, you simply can't write a romance. -shrugs- That's just my personal taste though...
To reiterate the point for the fourty eleventh time, I don't like to be going along, reading a nice story and BAM there's a graphic sex scene wedged in there that really doesn't have any purpose other than that the author wanted the characters to have sex. To me, there's no artistry in that, no matter how poetically the author writes it - unless the sex scene has a purpose; then, it's different. Really, if there's no purpose in the sex scene, and especially if it's an otherwise T-rated story, it's much preferable if you simply allude to the sex without outright stating it.
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Post by Ink on Oct 15, 2007 21:51:28 GMT
Sometimes, though, The sex is the plot, and the story is written only to describe a sex-scene. Those stories feels a bit unnecessary. Its like porn in fanfiction-style.
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