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Post by piedflycatcher on May 30, 2007 13:16:27 GMT
All the necessary attributes of a villain... except being evil? Yeah, sorry, I just can't really see it. The only way Cloud could be a villain would be if he was controlled by someone else, like Jenova, or if his identity finally snapped and he went completely insane. But neither of those would really be Cloud as we know him. Cloud is basically good and he is altruistic to some extent. He's like most ordinary people: he cares about those close to him, he wants to do the right thing, but he also needs a personal motivation to save the world as well as saving it for its own sake.
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Post by Azul Eyes on May 31, 2007 4:04:18 GMT
He would be more like a... um... I can't think of the word... Darn it. He would be more of a "half-way evil" kinda guy. Not pure evil like some villains. He would only be partially evil...
Does that make any sense?
Didn't this whole discussion start with what would happen if Cloud snapped and became evil... I don't remember. *sigh*
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Post by ladyvaltaya on May 31, 2007 14:01:53 GMT
If Cloud ever snapped completely again and went WAAAY off the deep end he wouldn't be the person he is now, that is for sure.
I think it depends on what would happen to cause him to have another breakdown exactly how dark he might go. He's been through a lot aready though and he keeps coming back stronger every time he faces a mental/emotional setback.
So if he ever snapped like Seph did and went totally nutty, I think it'd take one heafty trigger of an event considering all that he has already seen and experianced.
If it had something to do with Jenova then we could concievably see him taking very evil actions, but that would also serve to make it more obvious that he isn't really "Cloud" at that point. It isn't something that Jenova could hide from the people who really know him, in other words.
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Post by leafonthebreeze on Jun 11, 2007 16:20:32 GMT
At the begining of KH Cloud is in some ways evil... However he realises it pretty well straight away so *shrugs* still, I think he got about as close to being evil as he can get there.
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Post by ladyvaltaya on Jun 11, 2007 18:27:55 GMT
True, except that KH (which was the focus of your post) Cloud has obvious physical differences from the FFVII Cloud.
In both KH 1&2 I'd say that Cloud's actions and his appearance don't show him so much as they represent his focus at different times in his life. Kingdom Hearts is an Alternate Universe. This type of AU is based on the canon timeline of each character and thus each story that intersects with it, but by nature an AU is not a mirror of those timelines.
Yes, Cloud was working for Hades and he looked like his darkside was taking over when he first showed up. When ordered to kill Sora though, Cloud refused; that is why Cerberus attacked him and Herc had to step in. Cloud wasn't mindlessly evil even in his KH introduction.
Also even though Cloud tells Sora that he doesn't care what happens to that world during KH2, you know that isn't true because actions speak louder than words.
On a semi related note, Sora is a great character and I love him to pieces, but I don't believe for a second that he could beat Cloud, Leon or Sephiroth if any of them were interested in a real fight one on one. So the idea of Sora fighting Cloud and Leon at the same time- oh please, let's just call that a VERY friendly sparring session... ;D
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Post by ladyvaltaya on Oct 29, 2007 14:12:52 GMT
Here I go again double posting to try and revive the dead threads... I meant to post this link days ago when I first read it, but as usual, I got sidetracked... ^_^ A six page profile of Cloud Strife from the Compilation Ultimania, was translated by the incredible fans over at ACF. forums.adventchildren.net/showthread.php?t=90832They didn't upload this pics, but the information is pretty interesting never the less. ^_^
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Post by Captain Wee on Oct 29, 2007 18:32:32 GMT
One look at Cloud in drag gets Cornero very excited. Do Cloud's charms enslave even members of the same sex?
ROFL
I love that quote, even thought the images of yaoi flow through my mind now.
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Post by ladyvaltaya on Oct 29, 2007 19:41:39 GMT
I know... Poor Cloud, I had a feeling the first time I ever played though that part of the game that he'd never quite live that incident down... Since lines like that keep making it into the official books, I'd say I was right- he never has, and he never will.
On the other hand, there are worse reasons he could have put on a dress than trying to save the girl he's had a crush on all his life. I think there is something inherently very sexy about a man that will go that far to protect the people he loves.
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Post by piedflycatcher on Oct 30, 2007 11:54:05 GMT
Thanks for the link, Lady V. The translations are interesting, though I don't think there's much we didn't already know or couldn't work out ourselves.
Damn you, Captain Wee, I wanted to quote that. XD
I like this one too though:
Cloud/Fenrir is the FFVII OTP!
That's so sweet! Cloud really took his promise to Tifa seriously.
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Post by ladyvaltaya on Oct 30, 2007 12:20:03 GMT
Cloud always takes his word very seriously.
In AC, he thought he was about to break two promises because he couldn't cure his Geostigma. His promise to Tifa was everything to him, it's no wonder that he was just barely hanging on as the movie opened. Especially since he thought he was going to end up breaking the promise he made to Zack too...
I thought the timeline of his life was nicely done. ^_^
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Post by horky on Oct 30, 2007 15:25:25 GMT
Thanks for the link, V.
But I don't care how valiant of a deed...dressing in drag is not something easily forgotten, or any less embarassing.
As if Cloud's psyche wasn't messed up enough already...
And of course, the sweetness of Cloud's promise ^^ I have to agree there Pied
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Post by leafonthebreeze on Nov 1, 2007 16:16:50 GMT
That is SO COOL and incredibly useful from a writing point of view... Are there any more of these???
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Post by ladyvaltaya on Nov 2, 2007 20:25:16 GMT
Yes Leaf, there are more of them, sweetie. I'll stick a link to that board up here for you... ^_^ It's a tough job being the informant around here, but I enjoy it... even when I get a little tangled up in my work... ^_^ forums.adventchildren.net/forumdisplay.php?f=255Follow that link and scroll down for a profile list!! ^_^ Enjoy, everyone.
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Post by leafonthebreeze on Nov 2, 2007 20:52:04 GMT
Thank you!!! It's really great that you keep us all posted on stuff like this, thank you for going to the trouble of doing it ;D
BTW, where does Cloud get his soldier 1st class uniform he wears in the original game? In Zack's death in Crisis Core he's wearing the shinra grunt's uniform, so where did he get the first class one?
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Post by piedflycatcher on Nov 2, 2007 21:43:02 GMT
I don't know, I always assumed he got it from Zack. Although that's kinda creepy, come to think of it... taking the uniform from his friend's dead body...
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