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Post by Woodster on Feb 11, 2009 22:22:26 GMT
IMO, we can sit here all year long and try to come to some solid, wonderfully bulletproof definition of what is civil and what is not - but we will fail, 'cause you just can't do that. So I think we need to set a general baseline (that being 'attack the argument, not the person, be tactful', or whatever we end up with after the deadline) and then trust in the mods and any judgement calls they then make. I agree with you, Yac. No matter how long we discuss it, I doubt we'll discover some miracle solution. But at the same time, the staff will have to please the members without leaving themselves open to critisism about the way they do their jobs. They have as much a right to enjoy this forum as everyone else. Call me over protective, but I'm making sure that they can continue to do so. As long as everyone - or at least the majority of members - are happy to trust us, then we can leave the issue there. By the way, that comment isn't aimed squarely at you, Yac. It's aimed at the forum in general.I have a question though - will all debate threads be moved into a pit board? Or will we simply have an explicit debate and a mod controlled one? I think that would cause favoritism to the pit - I'm not sure if that's a silly question to ask, I've just never been around a Pit before. Thats a good point, and I have had to think seriously about that. Having said that, however, pretty much most the threads on this board are debate potential, so if we start moving all debates into the Crater, then we may as well just move the whole forum in there! And thats not the point of the Crater...
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piratesrox
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The use of words expressing more than that of their literal intention! Now that. Is. Irony.
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Post by piratesrox on Feb 11, 2009 22:45:01 GMT
so if we start moving all debates into the Crater, then we may as well just move the whole forum in there! And thats not the point of the Crater... This is the point of the pit in it's entirety... *Evil smile*
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Post by La Editor on Feb 11, 2009 22:53:30 GMT
This is something that's been on my mind for a while that I've been forgetting to bring up. When stories are nominated, I know that authors aren't told (DX surprise of a lifetime right thar), but I believe that they should be notified. If they accept the nomination, I think it'd be a good idea to let them know that by doing so, they are agreeing to give us rights to dub/make a trailer of/discuss on podcast/etc. their work. It would just make it easier.
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Post by T. Costa on Feb 11, 2009 22:57:25 GMT
La -
The administration is actually currently working on a solution to that problem. None of us realized the authors HADN'T been informed, and it came as a great shock to us. I believe Sai is spearheading the effort to get that taken care of; as usual, if she needs any help with anything she is free to ask me.
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mintbanana
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Post by mintbanana on Feb 11, 2009 23:20:26 GMT
Oh, I thought the nominees were all notified. Pied sent me a PM over FF.net when I got nominated in the last Awards.
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Post by Sai on Feb 12, 2009 0:33:54 GMT
Sadly, this year there was little contact. That is why I took it kinda upon myself to get that ball rolling. We have a "The Genesis Awards" ffn profile while will be used to communicate with most of the authors. The others, which are scattered over various sites, will probably be e-mailed from either the GA email or myself.
So, don't worry about everyone finding out about their stories being nominated and them not knowing--it should all be handled by friday.
-Sai
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Post by Bianka on Feb 12, 2009 1:43:18 GMT
Mint and Sai are right; last year, all authors were informed about their nomination. That's what helped get the ball rolling with a lot of nominations. Honestly, this year we have half of the nominations we did last year. And that's likely because few people even know they were nominated. Many hugs to Sai for working on informing everyone. When it comes to the Pit, I'm with Wood on that (and thank you, Clan, for bringing it up). I'm afraid of it becoming the most popular area of the forum. The Pit is intended to be an area for members to vent instead of holding back all the time. If it becomes the most popular area, the GA may be associated with it moreso than the actual awards or the other threads, which are known to many newcomers as surprisingly friendly and accepting. I could just be a worrywart, though. =/ I feel it's appropriate and okay to call someone out on being unreasonable in an argument, so long as they're tactful about it, especially if it's to end an argument. Obviously if the majority of the board rules against this, I will go along with the rules, but I think that a person's attitude toward an argument can be "attacked," so to speak - but if they're being a jerk we should have the right to call them out on it. Civilly, of course. I can see what you're saying. While I would really, really prefer it if arguments remained impersonal, we all know that some people just don't respond to that. I think that as long as it's conveyed in a tactful, professional manner, posters may tell someone that they are being unreasonable. Like, "I am aware that you have a well thought-out opinion, and that is great. If you're going to have an opinion, you might as well think it out. But I have a well-thought out opinion, too, and I'd like to not be attacked for it." ...Just throwing that out there. XD
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Clan Dragoon
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Post by Clan Dragoon on Feb 12, 2009 2:18:07 GMT
Well perhaps in the Pit area we should hold it to a selective type of debates resulting to Final Fantasy - such as, all shipping/cannon arguments should be held there - but "which final fantasy is the best" should remain out on the main board.
Then there should jsut be random threads. You could also take away the post count (as it seems to matter heavily to people) in the Pit, such as with the spam board. That might keep the participation even.
Just some thoughts.
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Post by Pen Against Sword on Feb 12, 2009 3:32:51 GMT
I think all debate threads should stay in their respective subforums, actually. If they get heated, possibly you can tell certain members to go resolve their differences via the Pit, or maybe you can move the threads there in light of the tension. Either way, I don't think certain debates should be moved to the Pit just in case they get tense.
That's like killing Caesar 'cause he might do wrong. XP
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Post by T. Costa on Feb 12, 2009 6:21:52 GMT
I think Pen's idea has merit. Everything should stay where it is and if it gets heated, they can start a thread in the Crater.
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kaarinahelvete
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A good son would have known... you friggen retard >_<
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Post by kaarinahelvete on Feb 12, 2009 19:48:26 GMT
Well, since this thread closes TODAY, I might as well post my opinion. I just want to throw it out there that I'm a complete noob to the forum--I just registered a few days ago. I did, however, read through some of these posts, as well as the rules. Now, I'll just post my general opinion about all public forums.
I, personally, don't have a problem with the current rules, except for the one-lining, pretty much. However, I do think threads should stay on topic for the convenience of all the members on the forum.
I also have no problem with swearing, but for the sake of young audiences, it should be moderated. The language filter I can understand (used to protect against lawsuits, and the like), but i agree that "p****d" is not a swear word. There is much worse a poster can do with their language, that the filter can't catch. in rule 1, it uses the word "civil", which I take as referring to "public" or something like that. Basically, only post something you feel will not offend someone.
As for spoiler marking, I do that as much as possible.
Rule 6 seems like a good idea, but it doesn't seem like it would be enforced... I always like to introduce myself formally, so I went to the newbie board, but that's just me. That doesn't mean *everyone* will do so.
I didn't really understand rule 7... I often use different usernames for different sites, but lately they've all been related. I dunno if that's what the rule meant, but I don't understand why that would be a rule, since a new member can, in fact, choose their own username.
Picture-hotlinking is a pain, and it's good to NOT DO IT. Then nothing can be held against you.
Now, this "Pit" people have been talking about... I dunno where it is yet, but I guess a venting forum is a good idea. Everyone needs to vent sometimes. Also, I think if someone's *venting*, they won't want to be censured my a faulty language filter. It might make them even more p****d off. <---Heh.
Another issue I noticed was how long posters should have to change their posts before mods take over. I really don't have a problem with a mod changing my posts, but an hour or two should be enough time for me to catch anything that's wrong with my post. And if I log off not knowing about it, the mod can change it and tell me why they did (via PM?), so I don't make the same mistake again.
EDIT: Oh, I just saw Pen's post. I agree fully with that.
So basically, be nice on the forum, don't try to offend anyone, and keep language T-rated or lower at public parts of the forum. That way, everyone's happy. (T-rated movies, for example, can only say the F-word once before it becomes an R-rated movie, for adults only.)
And yes, enjoy the forum or be SEVERELY PUNISHED! MUAHAHAHA.
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Post by Woodster on Feb 12, 2009 20:07:08 GMT
This thread has now been locked (for the moment, at least). The other staff members and myself will now go through all the suggestions and, hopefully, reach a happy medium for everybody. That doesn't mean to say that you guys are now out of the picture. If you have any issues that you'd like to bring to attention, then feel free to PM me. I'd like to thank everyone who has posted, and even made suggestions. I hope this thread has helped you all as much as its helped us.
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