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Post by kajnrig on Jul 4, 2008 23:37:20 GMT
As far as FFVI goes, I never got the impression that Locke was any sort of "true" hero of the game. It seemed to always be balanced between almost everybody (Sabin and Edgar's story was REAL nice, in my book), so there nobody ever seemed to be in the spotlight for long (save for Terra).
Anyway.
Zidane was a cool guy just because he seemed so... normal. Y'know, like a guy you'd meet on the streets or at the bar or something. I wouldn't say he was the best hero, but then again, you know what they say about heroes: same courage for five minutes longer. And he definitely had the courage.
Zack, too, I wouldn't exactly consider a universal "hero" because while he did a lot for Cloud personally, he didn't exactly save the world or anything. He would probably be Cloud's personal hero/friend/mentor, but certainly not the world's.
And don't even get me started on Squall...
But yeah, I guess I'll go with Zidane on this, just because. They're all the same to me.
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Post by guardian1 on Jul 5, 2008 12:32:40 GMT
Yeah, it struck me how totally, helplessly boy normal Zidane was when he taught Vivi how to take a whiz.
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which isn't really normal if you think about it but context i guess
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Post by T. Costa on Jul 5, 2008 13:05:38 GMT
Yeah, it struck me how totally, helplessly boy normal Zidane was when he taught Vivi how to take a whiz. ... which isn't really normal if you think about it but context i guess Whoa whoa whoa. WHAT? I know I didn't like FF9, but jeeez.....I certainly missed out on some stuff.
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Post by unwinding fantasy on Jul 5, 2008 13:48:15 GMT
^ Yeah. There's a scene where Zidane and Vivi are off-screen and text boxes pop up with <tinkle tinkle>. Garnet (or was it Eiko?) is like, "..."
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Post by leo on Jul 5, 2008 15:37:30 GMT
It's kind of funny because I don't tend to gravitate towards any of the main heros in the Final Fantasy series. I ususally tend to become obsessed with villians or miscellaneous characters.
But I suppose if I must choose I'll choose Cloud. Though I really didn't care for him in the original I found him fascinationing in Crisis Core
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Post by Bianka on Feb 17, 2009 4:36:41 GMT
Trying to revive the thread so that newer members (and older ones who didn't see it) may post their own opinions here! I'm still torn between Cloud and Zack... >_< There is also a " Best Overall Final Fantasy Heroine" thread, if others are interested.
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Post by La Editor on Feb 17, 2009 5:31:28 GMT
I don't think I ever posted on here.
Hmm. They're all pretty fly (for white guys LOLOLOL), but none of them exactly define an outstanding hero. I think that's sort of the point, too.
Honestly, I'm not looking into it too much, but I'd say Cloud. He had a lot of problems at the time, but he pulled through in the end despite and said, 'yeah, I'm doing this for personal reasons, but it's sort of about the big picture, too.' And, well, in comparison to the others, y'know. Tidus definitely wasn't so much a hero as a narrator - I'd say the overall winner for FFX would be Yuna, probably, or Auron for the gender-specific category. (In a really, really twisted way, you could even say Seymour, but we won't go into that.) I've only seen the first few bits of FFIX in script-format for a dub, and Zidane seems like he'll mature nicely throughout the game, but I couldn't say. Squall seems to be kind of brooding - like Tidus, more of an observer than a flat-out hero. Honestly, I don't know nearly enough about VIII or IX to really say anything, much less II-VI.
TL;DR: I choose the original Light Warriors!
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Post by Hope on Feb 17, 2009 9:10:22 GMT
I went for Cloud. He's not one of my favourite characters, but I was always really impressed by the courage that he didn't know about, that only showed up when he really needed it - for example in the Nibelheim reactor and at the end of the game.
Cloud didn't have much training, much confidence, or much standing to recommending but he was STILL a hero, and I find that particularly heroic.
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Post by fearandloathing on Feb 17, 2009 11:10:37 GMT
I don't remember who I went for at the time, but I think I'd go for Zidane if I went again, principally because for his age, he is SO heroic. He's 16 for heaven's sake, when was the last time you EVER knew a 16yr old boy who helped anyone for any reason, or indeed without a reason. That's his motto, 'you don't need a reason to help people'. Can you EVER imagine Cloud saying that? He is constantly questioning why he's doing things, and Zidane just rolls with it.
I mean, Zidane he's basically just a kid, but he is constantly cheering people on and supporting the party; when his friends get down he always tries to help them and cheer them up (Vivi, Garnet, Freya), and it's a BIG MOMENT when he gets brainwashed and pushes everyone away, because that's so not like him.
I think his personality is a big part of his heroic quality, because he isn't doing half the sh*t he does because he has to, like (you could argue) Squall and Cloud sort of do: their courage comes at crunch time, and Zidane I think just possesses it all the time.
Squall, Cloud, Tidus etc all generally end up becoming the hero because they get involved against their will (bound by a contract/money, transported to Spiralol) and end up following it through, whereas I think Zidane gets into it much more on his own, and consistantly doesn't back out when he has the chance. He doesn't even CONSIDER it, to him the idea of not doing the right thing seems completely stupid and mad.
My parting shot to why Zidane is such a hero is the final scene of the game, so those who don't want to know spoilers, not that I think there are many, don't read on.
Remember when Kudja is in the Lifa tree, and Zidane goes down to get him? He's pretty much going to die doing that, and it's stupid and reckless, but he says 'He couldn't live with himself if he didn't try' and he goes back in to get him. I mean, that is TRUE heroism IMO (stupid as well, but there's a fine line between the two).
He basically jumps to his death because even after all the crap Kudja's done to him, he just can't walk away and let a living creature die when there's still a chance, no matter WHAT he will try to save them.
*Heart swells* Seriously, how amazing is that?
He's a bit like Vash in that way, and we ALL know Vash is the greatest hero ever
Then again, it's all about what you define as heroism, isn't it? People voting for Cloud are more in the camp of a Hero overcoming their own problems when it really comes to it to save the day, and Zidane-like voters (and myself) see it as more of a constant personality quality.
Tl;dr: Zidane is the best. He is always heroic, especially for his age, and even if it's his worst enemy, he will not walk away and let someone die if there's a chance to save them. That is true heroism.
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Post by piratesrox on Feb 17, 2009 14:09:10 GMT
I voted Balthier, so clicked "other".
I loved him because he seemed AWARE he was in an RPG. He did everything a hero does, but never made it look difficult, and did it with such style and finesse, it was like he KNEW there was a camera there, and milked it for all it was worth.
I was going to pick Zack, but then I remembered the line that sold it for me. When the Bahumut is going down, and everything is burning, and he sees Fran. She says go, and he does that smile and says:
"You know what they say about the leading man. He never dies.And where would the leading man be without his leading lady?"
That single line just makes him the best hero from the whole series. He was an unusually good character from 12. Everyone else can go die.
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Post by Mengde on Feb 17, 2009 15:45:25 GMT
Tidus is still my favorite. He matures from this whiny, somewhat-thick kid into an intelligent, deep character who still has an outgoing (some say annoying, I never thought as much) personality. There's this quality of innocence to him that really defines him for me: it's not present in Cloud, or Squall, or Vaan (didn't play enough of FFIX to get a handle on Zidane). What's more, he demonstrates that he's capable of loving another person more deeply than he loves himself. His determination to do whatever is necessary to save Yuna really speaks to his strength of character. I know Cloud went through all sorts of nuts, but he didn't handle it very well at all. Tidus may have whined and bitched about his lot in life, but he always bounced back and did what was right instead of curling up and crying about it.
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Post by fearandloathing on Feb 17, 2009 17:02:52 GMT
Good shout, Mengde. Tidus is a really awesome and completely underrated guy, except I feel a lot of the strength/heroism is shared around the party in X (which is so great, they are like the best team EVER), whereas Zidane kinda champions IX's lot - he is the sticking factor for all of them, whereas Yuna is in X, and that's why I rate him more.
Dagger sucked so much in IX that the main hero overcompensated, if you know what I mean, but in X there's more of a balance (because Yuna is a nice girl really).
A lot of people don't like Tidus as far as I can tell, but I am very fond of the chump. He's my next favorite character after Zidane. Of all the guys up there I think he starts off the worst; not even Squall is as bad as him on the shallow whinging b!tchfitting teenager front, but he /actually/ manages to pull it around by the end.
(Spoilers, not that you don't all know them) I mean when he says he has to go, he looks miserable, but he's not crying, or screaming, he's just calm. I mean I think the fact that at the end of X he disappears puts him up a LOT in hero status. He does all this sh*t and goes through so much, and KNOWS that when he wins it's going to cause his own destruction, but he keeps on with it because it's not himself he's trying to save, it's Yuna.
Selfless love, which, considering what he was like at the start, is a /big/ jump.
Plus he changes the ENTIRE way Spira works. I mean, the world in X-2? He DID that, it was his influence that changed Spira into what it was by the sequel, and he didn't just save the world from the bad guys, but he made it into a much better place on a ideological level.
... Dammit, every time I post about a character I become convinced they're the best. I mean, now I'm like WHOA TIDUS IS AMAZING LOOK AT THAT STUFF HE DID. I talk myself into these things, heh.
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Post by snarky on Feb 21, 2009 20:51:00 GMT
I still stand by the one and only vote for Cecil. >__>
But actually, if I were to have a second vote, I think, now that I've played the remake of the original FFT, I might just have to vote for Ramza. That's right. Not even a character from the main series. =)
Ramza Beoulve is an amazing hero. He sticks by true justice and honor (regardless of class) throughout the entire game and does his best to always do what is right - even at grave cost to himself. And... it's never actually confirmed whether he survives the final battle or not.
I am not sure how many people here have actually played this game, so I don't want to go into more details for risk of spoiling, but... seriously - this game has an epic, complex storyline, and if you play through it (or... read about it on wikipedia or the FF wiki or something) you will see that Ramza truly is a kick-ass, amazing hero.
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Post by Sylla on Feb 21, 2009 20:55:00 GMT
I(In a really, really twisted way, you could even say Seymour, but we won't go into that.) Hahah. Figures you'd say it. XD It's funny, because I was thinking of clicking 'other' and putting Seymour (and only half for a laugh) - but he loses to Tidus, IMO. At this point I could probably copypaste all of Mengde and Fear's posts and just say, "This." But for what it's worth, I'll agree. Tidus went through a helluva lot, and even at the end when (SPOILER) he knows he'll fade away and doesn't know if that means the Farplane or just nonexistance, (END SPOILER) he still does the right thing. And without being NEARLY as angsty or antisocial as Cloud or Squall. Plus (SPOILER AGAIN), it's not every teenager that's asked to fight against and defeat their own father. My respect for Tidus skyrocketed during that scene when he's crying, but still acknowledges that he has a job to do and goddamit, he's gonna see it through. (END SPOILER) So yeah. Tidus wins. (...*sob*)
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Post by Youko-Kokuryuuha on Feb 21, 2009 22:20:04 GMT
*agrees with posts above*
Tidus, for the win. He started off as this whiny, complaining, self-centered brat who's only concern was getting back home, never mind the suffering of an entire world. He was easily one of the most childish and insufferable fictional characters ever.
But he matured amazingly, and you see that through the story. He becomes loving, caring, and brave. Not to mention self-sacrificing. He comes from a completely separate world and fights to save one that isn't his, and falls in love along the way.
He over turns a conspiratorial and hypocritical government, fights off a madman bent on destroying the world to save it, his SPOILERS!! gargantuan beast of a father, and selflessly throws his own life away to save that of an entire world. And he does it willingly.
You can't tell me that isn't a hero.
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