piratesrox
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The use of words expressing more than that of their literal intention! Now that. Is. Irony.
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FFX-2
Aug 20, 2008 14:12:07 GMT
Post by piratesrox on Aug 20, 2008 14:12:07 GMT
I just severely doubt the game was made with plot in mind. It was more ass factor. "Hey, boss! Look how hot we can make Yuna look! Should we make a game out of it?"
"K! LOLOLOLOL $$$$"
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FFX-2
Aug 20, 2008 16:54:19 GMT
Post by Sylla on Aug 20, 2008 16:54:19 GMT
Pirates, that is automatic WIN points for you. XD
Well, Squeenix has already admitted that FFX-2 was made to reel in the boys (or, rather, boys who have no interest in anything remotely intelligent and only care about ass shots), so... yeah.
... ... ... *cries*
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piratesrox
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The use of words expressing more than that of their literal intention! Now that. Is. Irony.
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FFX-2
Aug 20, 2008 17:44:45 GMT
Post by piratesrox on Aug 20, 2008 17:44:45 GMT
Pirates, that is automatic WIN points for you. XD Well, Squeenix has already admitted that FFX-2 was made to reel in the boys (or, rather, boys who have no interest in anything remotely intelligent and only care about ass shots), so... yeah. ... ... ... *cries* ... sorry what? I wasn't listening. I was making a list of exactly what Yuna can "Do for me." Also, I agree. That's what got me into the franchise in the first place.
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FFX-2
Aug 22, 2008 15:14:33 GMT
Post by T. Costa on Aug 22, 2008 15:14:33 GMT
Pirates, that is automatic WIN points for you. XD Well, Squeenix has already admitted that FFX-2 was made to reel in the boys (or, rather, boys who have no interest in anything remotely intelligent and only care about ass shots), so... yeah. ... ... ... *cries* Does it make me a bad person that the only reason *I* got into Final Fantasy was because of Tifa? >.<
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Aug 22, 2008 16:32:31 GMT
Post by Sylla on Aug 22, 2008 16:32:31 GMT
(Y'know, when I first read that, my automatic response was, "Bhuh?" I keep completely forgetting you're bi. *headdesk*) Heheh, that doesn't make you a bad person... the initial reason I picked up DMC3 - apart from awesome f**k yeah demon-slaying action - was because of Dante.
I'm sure something similar has happened to us all at some point. XD
Of course, I do try to focus more on the story blurb that's on the back, but seriously, the first thing people notice is the front cover, so... *shrugs* =P
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piratesrox
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The use of words expressing more than that of their literal intention! Now that. Is. Irony.
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Aug 22, 2008 16:49:39 GMT
Post by piratesrox on Aug 22, 2008 16:49:39 GMT
I'm sure something similar has happened to us all at some point. XD I have no idea what you're talking about...
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FFX-2
Aug 22, 2008 16:56:11 GMT
Post by T. Costa on Aug 22, 2008 16:56:11 GMT
It's also really odd that I liked Yuna so much more in FFX-2. I loathed in in FFX. I may be bisexual, but I SWEAR it's not her clothes. O.o Just something about her attitude endeared her more to me. Not sure why.
'sides, Lulu's the woman for me. I love her hairstyle. >.<
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FFX-2
Aug 23, 2008 2:51:32 GMT
Post by Neophyte Ronin on Aug 23, 2008 2:51:32 GMT
The FF games in general, while not exactly Shakespeare or anything, at least had somewhat serious plots; plots that made you think - for example, FFX had the whole intrigue thing with the corrupt church of Yevon that I found absolutely wonderful from a plot standpoint. But what I know of the FFX-2 plot leads me to believe that it was very linear and... not very intelligent. *sigh* I found FFX's church conspiracy plot to be a hollow shot below the belt against organized religion. Most people badmouth religion as an opium of the masses--a term coined by Karl Marx. I personally refuse to accept at face value every theology and church as utterly corrupted and destroying everyone and everything. It's also been done; Grandia II is a case in point. That game did little to conceal its humanist standpoint. I understand the empirical arguments, but nobody could have devised anything like religion without the notion that empirical methods cannot explain everything in nature and beyond. Another case against FFX is that it was rather linear, being that you are on a pilgrimage, walking along a set path. World-shaking events seem to happen wherever the lead character goes--a plot device that is not only predictable, but also highly unlikely in reality. Following this line of thinking--that FFX can be considered fundamentally flawed--then one can tie it into the notion that sequels generally suck. In this case, FFX-2 delivers. Okay then. FFX-2 sucks. So doesn't FFX. Hate to be the stickler/evil-monger around here, but I had the wonderful experience of being entertained for a little while by both games, and to even think about arguing against them requires some downtime with the games themselves. Don't trust everything you hear in bulletin board systems--it's prudent to verify them on your own time. Besides... aren't PS2 games that are regarded as classics still in game stores? They should be between five to twenty US dollars. Can't be that horrible of an investment, right? Oh, right.... Yeah, there's all sorts of problems with the game, but they're all centered on marketing. Think about it: Spirits Within tanked and their Honolulu studio got liquidated. Let's not forget that they have to chuck out a Final Fantasy on a routine basis because technically, it's what got us involved with Square in the first place. They have to keep pushing the technical envelope. X-2 is really a space between their projects, because not everyone went for an online version of the flagship. They may have overplayed the sexuality in X-2, but another part of it was that they didn't feel like they were in peril over their sins anymore. Without the fear of Sin breathing down their necks, they could let loose. As much of a marketing decision Yuna's hot-pants are, they also reflect societal sentiments, especially one that lost its theological grounding. Suppose it's a stark commentary on moral decay, then?
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piratesrox
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Aug 23, 2008 3:02:30 GMT
Post by piratesrox on Aug 23, 2008 3:02:30 GMT
Did you just make a serious, theological point using Yuna's hot pants? If you did, and meant it, then marry me pl0x.
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Aug 23, 2008 3:12:21 GMT
Post by Neophyte Ronin on Aug 23, 2008 3:12:21 GMT
No.
Seriously...
no.
But hey, I suppose it's what you get when a grounding of divine faith gets all shattered. So yeah, I made a point using her hot-pants. And no, I will not marry you.
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Aug 23, 2008 9:51:43 GMT
Post by Sylla on Aug 23, 2008 9:51:43 GMT
Firstly. Don't trust everything you hear in bulletin board systems--it's prudent to verify them on your own time. Besides... aren't PS2 games that are regarded as classics still in game stores? They should be between five to twenty US dollars. Can't be that horrible of an investment, right? ... Are you trying to insinuate that I've just been pulling opinions out of my hat based on bulletin boards? Because I do own a copy of the game. I have gotten to chapter three, even though it was excruciating pretty much the whole way. I would like to think I know what I'm talking about here. I found FFX's church conspiracy plot to be a hollow shot below the belt against organized religion. Most people badmouth religion as an opium of the masses--a term coined by Karl Marx. I personally refuse to accept at face value every theology and church as utterly corrupted and destroying everyone and everything. It's also been done; Grandia II is a case in point. That game did little to conceal its humanist standpoint. I understand the empirical arguments, but nobody could have devised anything like religion without the notion that empirical methods cannot explain everything in nature and beyond. Sure, it's a shot at organized religion... but you're barking up the wrong tree here, because I'm absolutely fine with that. Of course, not every theology is utterly corrupted - or, at least, I would hope not - but that's not really the point FX was trying to make. It's a story featuring a corrupt religion, and in this case the moral of the story is that organized religions where all that's required of its followers is blind faith and obedience are BAD, and can easily lead to corruption among those in power - in fact, they positively seem to invite it. And yes, the 'corrupt religion' plot has been done before... hey, what was that about there being no original ideas left in the world? The 'corrupt religion' idea has been used by TONS of people; you can't fault FFX for trying it out as well. Also. "[...] nobody could have devised anything like religion without the notion that empirical methods cannot explain everything in nature and beyond." I might be misunderstanding exactly what you're trying to say here, but most organized religions are very close-minded. What isn't explained by their empirical, monotheistic methods is simply ignored or said to be heresy. Another case against FFX is that it was rather linear, being that you are on a pilgrimage, walking along a set path. World-shaking events seem to happen wherever the lead character goes--a plot device that is not only predictable, but also highly unlikely in reality. True, FFX was linear... up until a point. That being when you defeat Yunalesca, and then the game kicks you out into the world with a pat on the back, to do whatever you will. Actually, though, now that I think of it, there were several 'paths' you could take in FFX-2 to get the different endings... so, let me rephrase. Its plot is just not very intelligent. Following this line of thinking--that FFX can be considered fundamentally flawed--then one can tie it into the notion that sequels generally suck. In this case, FFX-2 delivers. Okay then. FFX-2 sucks. So doesn't FFX. Hate to be the stickler/evil-monger around here, but I had the wonderful experience of being entertained for a little while by both games, and to even think about arguing against them requires some downtime with the games themselves. Which I have done. And I still believe it sucks. Okay, so maybe it doesn't suck. It's still a mediocre game among a series of gems. But hey, to each their own, so if you thought it was good, not much I can do to dissuade you that I'm not already doing. Also, I believe there are some games that are so bad, they don't need to be played for a long time to be recognized as such. FFX-2 wasn't quite one of those, but I do remember a distinct 'Wait... what the heck is this?' reaction when I faced off against Leblanc for the first time. They may have overplayed the sexuality in X-2, but another part of it was that they didn't feel like they were in peril over their sins anymore. Without the fear of Sin breathing down their necks, they could let loose. As much of a marketing decision Yuna's hot-pants are, they also reflect societal sentiments, especially one that lost its theological grounding. Suppose it's a stark commentary on moral decay, then? Sometimes, Ronin, short shorts are exactly that - short shorts. You may have a valid point about it being a symbol of Spira's regained youth or a commentary on moral decay - but until I see more evidence of that apart from 'Yuna's wearing short shorts lawl', I'm going to see it as a ploy by Squeenix to get more guys to play their games.
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Aug 23, 2008 10:05:06 GMT
Post by T. Costa on Aug 23, 2008 10:05:06 GMT
Sometimes, Ronin, short shorts are exactly that - short shorts. You may have a valid point about it being a symbol of Spira's regained youth or a commentary on moral decay - but until I see more evidence of that apart from 'Yuna's wearing short shorts lawl', I'm going to see it as a ploy by Squeenix to get more guys to play their games. I think Ronin brings a valid point to the table though - not necessarily about SOCIETY letting go, but about YUNA letting go. In FFX she was a summoner, she had the weight of the world on her shoulders. She couldn't, in good conscience, let go. Her life wasn't hers to live and she wasn't a 'ho like Donna. But NOW all that weight is gone. But yeah, I do think the short shorts are just short shorts. And while I don't necessarily agree with Ronin's post, I do believe that using the hot pants as an argument point is hilariously awesome. XD
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Aug 23, 2008 13:33:54 GMT
Post by Sylla on Aug 23, 2008 13:33:54 GMT
Ah, yes, I seem to recall someone saying that before, about Yuna letting go. (Was it Ronin? Mighta been.)
While you do have a point about her having had a huge weight on her shoulders in FFX that just isn't there in FFX-2... ah, wait. Yes it is. Y'know, what with Vegnagun on the loose and the Dark Aeons needing to be put down. That still doesn't stop 'Your Friendly Neighbourhood Gullwings' from looking more set for a beach party than saving the world. (Armor? Pah!) =P
But, all joking aside, I can kind of see Yuna loosening up in those two years between FFX and FFX-2. Just... not to the extent that she did. I think that's my main problem with her choice of costume in FFX-2.
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FFX-2
Aug 23, 2008 15:21:21 GMT
Post by La Editor on Aug 23, 2008 15:21:21 GMT
I'm officially scared off X-2. I'm chucking the five-dollar copy I got from a pothead in my English class last year in the depths of a bottomless drawer located far beneath piles of junk in the garage.
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FFX-2
Aug 23, 2008 15:24:29 GMT
Post by T. Costa on Aug 23, 2008 15:24:29 GMT
Was it the LeBlanc Massage Scene or the fandom wank to YRP?
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